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On October 19, 2017, after LPM member (and Abrogate Prohibition Michigan organizer) Dana Carver and I spoke with Michigan Libertarian Executive Committee‘s District 8 Congressional District Representative (and Libertarian gubernatorial candidate) Jeff Wood about former LPM State Vice Chair Kim McCurry‘s anti-LP piece in which she decided to leave the Libertarian Party, Wood posted his reaction over the entire matter on Facebook. Yup, he did, and he did it….just….like….that!
It didn’t surprise me that he would respond, but I think it did piss off a lot of people who weren’t expecting him to respond the way he did.
Here are all the screenshots of his thread on FB for your enjoyment.
Libertarians of Macomb County Membership Director Benjamin Joseph Dryke and LMC and LPM member Michael Worton have been firing off potshots at each other in this thread, and they’re not doing it all for naught. Check these out!
Let’s provide some clarity to Ben’s statement in which he said he defended Worton.
Now to continue with the screenshots:
Let’s bring some more clarity into Josh Barton’s response to Tyler Palmer, shall we?
I tried to read Brandon Wellman‘s post and comments, but I got blocked on my regular political account. He even blocked it on my Todd A Barnett (Nightseeking Bear) account as well. (He may have deleted his comments from being shared, but I’ve already acquired them anyway.)
Here are the screenshots of the blocking of both accounts.
You get it now?
Here’s more clarity to the comments above.
The next screenshot gives you a teeny-weeny bit more clarification on the following comments.
Mark Sanborn had something to say about this.
Now I don’t know why Wellman blocked my regular political account. I’ve never dealt with the man, never insulted, never acted or behaved in a condescending way to him, and never said a word to him.
Here are his nonsensical blog posts and comments about Kim’s decision to leave the Party.
First of all, let’s get something straight about Brandon Wellman. He was *NEVER* a true libertarian, let alone a Libertarian. He never amounted to anything more than being a donor to the Party, and that is it. That. Is. It! He was never a Party member. He never attended LEC and his county’s meetings. He was just a dye-in-the-wool hard-core conservative Republican pretending to be a Libertarian when he *NEVER* truly was. He was never a libertarian in the ideological sense. Again he was a conservative. Yes, that’s right! A conservative!!!
Second of all, the only reason he was in the Party was to convert and shift the balance of power from an ideologically-pure Libertarian one into a conservative GOP-lite one. He had nothing to give, and he also had nothing to lose either. He just didn’t give a billion shits about liberty and the entire libertarian movement that has been around decades before him.
Oh, and by the way, he can eat shit and die! His anti-Libertarian and anti-libertarian spewing can be thrown out the window. He’s equally a fuckhead as McCurry, and he doesn’t realize it. If he still doesn’t in the future, then he’s got more issues than Hustler Magazine.
Finally, he and all the “let’s-defend-Kim” idiots are doing exactly that because they love her. They like her. He’s got a massive hard-on for her. It’s true. He’s not doing out of principle and/or conviction. He’s doing it because he simply can, and that’s the god-awful not-fun-at-all part. Hell, if he could, he would sleep with McCurry behind her husband’s back, because why? Because. He. Simply. Can.
The drama in the LP and the LPM is simply entertaining. What’s more entertaining are the Wortons, the Wellmans, and the McCurrys of the world can’t handle the simple fact that we are truly libertarian (and Libertarian)…..and they’re not.
Not one iota. Not one bit.
Former Libertarian Party of Michigan State Chair Bill Gelineau, currently on a political quest* for the Michigan governor’s race with Jeff Wood challenging him, just prior to the LPM’s state convention in Lansing on July 29 of this year and just prior to the Libertarians of Macomb County becoming affiliated at the April 4th Libertarian Executive Committee (LEC) meeting in Lansing told former State Chair and, until this year, State Vice Chair (and former LPMer) Kim McCurry that the LMC affiliation with state party was “on shaky ground” because of….me.
That’s right. My involvement in the Party had jeopardized my county affiliate’s – yes, the one I just rose from the ground up with Mike Saliba and the LMC’s help! – chances to be affiliated with the LEC. Gelineau told Kim, then Kim told John Kanan (the Communications Director on the LMC), and then John spoke with Membership Director Benjamin Joseph Dryke about it when they were having a beer together one night. While everyone was asked to be tightlipped about what they heard, everyone on the board still defended me no matter what. That’s probably one small reason why I was re-elected to my seat as Vice Chair of the LMC.
I won’t disclose the identity of my source on this latest piece of news that was given to me, but I suspected for a long, long while that something was going on. I’m neither stupid nor an imbecile to think that a couple of dark elements in the Party had tried to do whatever they could to silence me. I wasn’t born yesterday. I have the ability to sense people’s sentiments and motives, and to hear that Gelineau and McCurry were up to no good by spreading lies and shit about me is neither surprising nor deafening. It does, however, stand to reason that they are cowards, and they neither had the gall nor the cajones to face me and speak directly to my face about how they felt about me.
It’s also a known fact that Gelineau himself ran for Chair the first time back in February – April 2003, making all sorts of promises that never really came to fruition. Here’s his campaign statement printed in the state party’s old newsletter.
I ran for State Vice Chair that year. And I also lost badly, although I don’t recall the official counts then. I supported Bill at the time because he made promises, and he seemed like a trustworthy type of person at the time. I even voted for him at the convention. But during our campaign runs, and I went on the campaign trail going from Macomb to as far as Kalamazoo, not once did I ever receive assistance from Gelineau. Not once did I ever his backing whatsoever. I saw him for who he really was: an officious bureaucrat who just wanted to be elected to the Chair seat of a state political party and ruin it from the top down.
Here’s his old campaign ad back on March 3, 2003:
Here’s Gelineau’s campaign statement you can find in this March 3, 2003 newsletter:
The truth is this – Gelineau hardly did any of the things he promised to accomplish in 2003. I don’t recall any of any these vast promises that he made for the LPM that year being carried out in their entirety. With the possible exception of the old UMP agreement that the national LP had with the state parties during those years (including Michigan), the LPM never has been able to achieve these delusive landmark promises that became the bedrock principle of Bill’s campaign.
Even as State Chair in 2003, just prior to the inception of smartphones in 2007, I remember one time Gelineau had the LEC meet at some Mexican restaurant in Lansing (or close to it) that year. I remember taking a tape recorder and recorded the entire LEC meeting via audio (which I no longer have). Bill told the board that he was getting married to his now-current wife Donna, and then he pursued LEC business as usual, but my impression the entire time was this: he and the LEC then never did anything to stoke the excitement and increase of LPM voters, supporters, donors, and dues-paying members of the Party.
I’ve had a radio show, and I’ve been extremely radical and consistent on my libertarian and Libertarian views. Gelineau hasn’t. Except for 2008, I have been a consistent member of the LP and the LPM. I can’t say the same for Gelineau. I was the vice chair of the old Boston Tea Party back in 2008 after Bob Barr won the LP nomination, especially two years after the Party’s disastrous Portland, Oregon convention, which resulted in the gutting of 80 percent of the party’s platform. I even served later as an at-large director, and then I left that group, never to return to it because it had been taken over by bots, people who were never interested in liberty largely thanks to a former LPM’er and Boston Tea Party National Committee officer named Neil Kiernan Stephenson. (Yes, the same Neil who claimed to be a Libertarian Party of Michigan member is the same Neil who was later identified as an unemployed father and a big supporter of the Venus Project.)
As for what Gelineau said about me and any other statements about me that several people on the LMC never told me about, I am disappointed. I understand the reason why they did what they did – being tightlipped and all. However, I wish they had warned me what Gelineau was up to and what he planned to do to me…..if he had the absolute political authority to do anything to me at all. But he didn’t.
He’s a coward. So is Kim McCurry. Together they are a cowardly two-peas-in-a-pod people who will do whatever it takes to make their ends justify the means.
And that’s why I will *NOT* vote for Gelineau for Governor at all. In this case, I will not vote straight Libertarian at all. I’d rather eat tofu and vegetables over voting for that son of a bitch.
If Jeff gets the nomination, great! Then I will vote for him for Libertarian for Governor. If some other Libertarian Party of Michigan activist ran for Governor, I’ll vote for that guy. But noooooo, never Gelineau! I know this primary status (which will expire next year and will not continue for us because it was a once-in-a-life move that we earned because of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld’s 2016 presidential/vice-presidential campaign runs) is a joke, and Gelineau will get the nomination. But he will not receive 1% of the vote. Nope, he’ll receive less than that.
Oh well. Such is life.
How about that, Bill and Kim? They’re probably not worried, and yet they should be. They really should be.
I wish Election Day “good luck” in 2018 proving me wrong entirely. And yet I don’t think it will. I just hope it proves me right.
*Update 1: Here’s a YouTube of Gelineau’s campaign for Michigan governor. It’s hardly inspiring at all.
Former Libertarian Party of Michigan Chair and Vice Chair Kim McCurry writes an open letter to all Libertarians in the Libertarian Party, the LPM, and the entire movement, publishes it on Liberty Chronicle, and posts it on her Facebook wall, announcing her decision to bolt from the Party…..for good**. Rumors had it for months that she was on her way out of the Party, but nothing was officially confirmed by her colleagues, her friends, her allies, and Hers Truly…..until now.
With all candor, it’s neither shocking nor surprising nor unexpected that she would make this move. However, that entirely said, I’m glad that she is leaving the Party. And good riddance too!
I will outline my reasons for making that statement, yet it’s time to take a good look at her article and her Facebook post and comments which also contain statements and opinions uttered by other Libertarian Party members as well as former members who, for all intents and purposes, despise and cannot stand the Party. That’s about the size of it.
First things first, let’s show the evidence of her open letter which she penned to all Party members who either liked her at all or disliked her all the way.
This is what she wrote, which she submitted to the Liberty Chronicle. The staff there was more than thrilled to publish her piece to their server so it can be perused on the World Wide Web.
Now let’s take a look at her Facebook post and the ensuing comments that followed in response.
Well, now that you’ve read both the Liberty Chronicle article and her Facebook post, her comments, and her fellow LP and LPM member comments, you’ve got to admit that her narcissistic, condescending, insulting, bitchy, backstabbing, backbiting, and high school drama-esque demeanor really show in her piece and post…..don’t they?
Here’s the ugly and real-world truth about McCurry. She has publicly gone forward with her hateful, vile, and spiteful comments about the Party and a number of people. Her libelous statements on people and her attacks toward me are reflective of her shady personality that she has kept well-hidden while playing the role of a nice Libertarian Party member and supporter in such a carefully-constructed manipulated way. She has deceived many in the Party circles by claiming to be a real Libertarian who has taken the non-aggression principle seriously and signed the Pledge which is the heart and soul of the NAP and pretending to agree with me on a number of issues. Now I’m thinking that perhaps she never has at all, and she has been lying to me and to so many in our trusted circles from the very start.
When I was recording the Libertarian Executive Committee (LEC) meeting with my iPhone at the party headquarters in Lansing on December 7th, 2016, former LPM Chair Bill Gelineau asked me to cease recording considering other members of the board discovered that I was recording via Facebook Live Video (considering I never ask for authorization). Immediately the board began to consider a resolution to oppose video streaming as well as video recording during its meetings because their claim was that sensitive discussions including treasurer reports would be made public on FB. LPM Treasurer Jason Brandenburg began the first step to authorize a resolution. However, Gelineau gave me the opportunity to speak in my defense. I basically told the board that not everyone in the Party can attend meetings, that the LEC is a political party and must be a transparent organization, and the membership has a right to know what’s transpiring during the sessions.
I made a compromise (against my better judgment) with the committee that I would not record during Brandenburg‘s treasurer reports (considering he was the Treasurer throughout the tenure of the previous LEC)…..and has since been re-elected to his party seat, making him an incumbent.
What also hasn’t been made public is that LEC At-Large Representative Jeff Wood (who is now Regional Representative District #8) came to my rescue by defending my First Amendment-protected rights. He told the board that I had done nothing wrong and that I was well within my rights to record the meetings because, as I stated before, it is about transparency on the board and in the Party. It is about holding and keeping our political party accountable for everything that it does – ideologically and financially and an establishment of a strong work ethic and relationship with its members. It’s about maintaining ethics and humility in the Party and restoring principles that the Party has been lacking for years.
When I made the compromise, Kim in her vice chair role looked at me while sitting at the board table with her laptop up and running said, “Thank you, Todd!” She said that because I ended up being used, manipulated, and treated like a doormat the entire time while I was there. She never at once defended my right to free speech within the Party and had no interest in doing so. She was nothing but currying favor with Gelineau just simply by kissing his political ass and ensuring conservativesque control of the Party.
This is the same Bill Gelineau who has gone public with his support for ObamaCare – a move that has metastasized to many circles among us. And yet he calls himself a libertarian, let alone a Libertarian.
Here’s another reason why it’s a good thing that she left the Party. She lied about LPM member Keith Butkovich when she accused him of stalking her more than a year ago. I spoke with Keith regarding this incident. I have no reason *NOT* to believe a word of what he’s said to me. He told me that when Kim pursued a stalking charge that she filed against him (even after she filed a restraining order against him*), the presiding magistrate found that there was insufficient evidence to warrant a prosecution and conviction against him. Thus the case was ultimately tossed out of court. Keith won the trial because the judge ruled in his favor. Jeff Wood even confirmed this with me on this when we were talking on the phone Wednesday evening.
Therefore, Keith has every legal right, with the help of his attorney, to litigate against her for committing libel against him. And he is in the right to do exactly that.
This shows how deceitful and how much of a pathological liar she truly is. What an unfortunate truth that the members will be forced to contend with this undeniable fact.
After she blatantly attacked me in May of this year because I believe that many Libertarians left the Party because they didn’t like the comments made by LP National Chair Arvin Chair regarding the U.S. military, I called her while I was on the road driving to my wound care clinic one day. When we briefly talked about it, she said, “I was waiting for you to calm down.” That’s in reference to the both of us not talking for a few days after the online exchange. And yet I was not buying her bullshit. Keep in mind that this happened more than two months ago when we weren’t talking for a few weeks. I didn’t think that she was honest with me, but then you could never tell when she was dishonest completely.
How about the fact that, at the LEC meeting in June of 2016, she supported Brandenburg’s resolution (which was ultimately passed and went into effect) which called for the suspension of Libertarian Party member and Livingston candidate for sheriff James Weeks II …..all because he stripped at the Party’s national convention at the Rosen Centre in Orlando, Florida on May 30, 2016? I attended that meeting as a matter of fact, so I recorded it, despite the fact that Party member (and former LPM gubernatorial candidate) Mary Buzuma objected to it? (I suspect that her objection carried some weight with many of the LEC board members who would try to censor me with Bill Gelineau and Kim’s help because of my predilection for and a penchant of recording the board’s meetings at the December 7th meeting.)
I’m not sorry that she’s flown the Libertarian coop. Perhaps, by returning to the Republicans (where she was from originally), she will be of better use to them. Perhaps she will be an asset to the Republican Liberty Caucus.
Here’s the part that I find very troubling about her:
As a Libertarian, I resent her claim that people saw us as “Republicans who like to smoke weed.” That’s not what we’re about. That’s not what we have ever been about and will ever be about. Yes, there are many Libertarians – even some of us – who do enjoy and love smoking weed, but we’re more than that. We want freedom *NOT* only for ourselves but also for every single American and for all throughout the entire world. We want unrestricted liberty, not just *ONLY* to smoke cannabis. We want it now! We’ve already wanted it before Obama and even after him.
Yes, we don’t like taxes. Conservatives used to be against taxes at one time. That was decades ago obviously. Then they saw the writing on the wall and threw in the towel just to become statists. Today’s conservatives just want “tax reform” and “cutting taxes,” not repealing taxes like they used to many decades ago. They just want to replace ObamaCare and not replace it, even though they were calling for repeal and replacement and before that a repeal of the system briefly, not ending the government’s involvement in health care many decades ago. I could go down the list, but you get the point.
It’s both condescending and insulting that she conflates us classical liberals with progressive liberals in the Party. Progressives are Commie-lites. They want government involvement in the economy and high taxes as they love taxation, yet we classical liberals (or libertarians) want no taxes and want the State to cease to function. It’s that simple.
It makes her look bad when she says that she wants anarchists, anti-taxers, anti-government, anti-Drug War, and unregulated economy advocates pushed out of the Party. If you’re not Republican-lite for her, she wants you gone. There’s no question about it.
Goodbye, Kim. Sayonara. Adios! Don’t let the door hit you on the air now, you hear?
*Update 1: Kim actually filed a personal protection order, not a restraining order, against Keith Butkovich. This is a correction made via a request from him.
**Update 2: Some additional screenshots by Kim and her friends who blocked me on Facebook. I couldn’t get any of these via my current Facebook account because Kim has blocked me, but I used my alternative FB account to look at the posts in question.
Here they are.
That’s all I have on the screenshots.
I hope Kim got what she wanted overall. I believe she did.
Former Libertarian Party of Michigan Vice-Chair Kim McCurry (maiden name being Moore) recently criticized my post defending Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra. She took issue with the fact that I wrote a Facebook post on May 16 of this year, which was tied to her FB post which was about the following:
Bill Denton continues:
Notice Kim’s statement in which she comes off demanding to her readers and admits she’s a “conservative libertarian” who wants “social issues out of the LP”:
In the same week, I wrote my Facebook post in the following manner:
I ended up changing the first part of my post to assuage McCurry, but now I realize it was a waste of my time because she backstabbed me on there by having a discussion targetting me behind my back as well as every principled purist in the Libertarian Party.
I think you get the point anyway.
I also had a brief response to Kim as well. This is what the exchange on Facebook went:
It’s sad when you have the former state vice chair of a political party shit on you for the reasons outlined in the screenshots. But then that’s politics for you, especially Libertarian politics.
The painfully, ugly reality is this: Kim McCurry was doing her very best to minimize the attacks made against Arvin Vohra over his anti-military comments. She kept telling me that I was in the wrong, that Arvin’s comments had nothing to do with various members who were leaving the Libertarian Party when that was *TRULY* the case. She kept justifying their reasons for their departure by stating that my comments and Arvin’s statements had nothing to do with their leaving and that their decision to say “sayonara” to the Party was due to issues that allegedly had nothing to do with Arvin at all – an argument that I don’t buy and never have bought at all. Moreover, it’s an argument that I WILL NEVER BUY!!!
The problem is this: when you have conservatarians in the Party, they will water down its principles. When conservatarians try to inject social conservatism into the Party’s own political tent, they almost immediately turn the Party into a near carbon copy of their original political organization – in this case, the Republican Party.
Libertarians who want to win elections need to win them and preserve their principles – a lesson that even Ron Paul‘s very own Penny Langford Freedom told Adam Kokesh on his radio show Adam vs. the Man. Libertarian political campaigns are not, should not, and must never be organized and launched to educate the masses about liberty and its spectacular benefits. If people wanted to be educated about liberty and libertarianism, they would read a book on it or take courses in it at, say, the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Libertarian campaigns function for one purpose – and one purpose – only: to win and to enact policies from a strong Libertarian standpoint. They’re not set up to entertain the masses and tell people what the candidates and their supporters want to hear.
That doesn’t mean we reject the nonaggression principle. On the contrary, the NAP should be followed to the letter. To do that you can join the Libertarian and sign the pledge (which is the heart and soul of that principle) and pay your $25. That’s what it was designed for. But when it comes to winning elections you must tailor your message to placate the masses and, if you win and if elected, enact legislation and other policies that would bring about that Libertarian spirit.
That’s what Arvin had in mind. That’s what I had in mind. It’s too bad, however, that Kim McCurry and her legions of followers don’t have that in mind.