Former Libertarian Party of Michigan Vice-Chair Kim McCurry’s Criticism of My Sincere Defense of Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra

Former Libertarian Party of Michigan Vice-Chair Kim McCurry (maiden name being Moore) recently criticized my post defending Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra. She took issue with the fact that I wrote a Facebook post on May 16 of this year, which was tied to her FB post which was about the following:

 

Bill Denton continues:

Of course, this next screenshot says it all about what McCurry and her allies have said months ago:

Notice Kim’s statement in which she comes off demanding to her readers and admits she’s a “conservative libertarian” who wants “social issues out of the LP”:

In the same week, I wrote my Facebook post in the following manner:

I ended up changing the first part of my post to assuage McCurry, but now I realize it was a waste of my time because she backstabbed me on there by having a discussion targetting me behind my back as well as every principled purist in the Libertarian Party.

I think you get the point anyway.

I also had a brief response to Kim as well. This is what the exchange on Facebook went:

It’s sad when you have the former state vice chair of a political party shit on you for the reasons outlined in the screenshots. But then that’s politics for you, especially Libertarian politics.

CONCLUSION

The painfully, ugly reality is this: Kim McCurry was doing her very best to minimize the attacks made against Arvin Vohra over his anti-military comments. She kept telling me that I was in the wrong, that Arvin’s comments had nothing to do with various members who were leaving the Libertarian Party when that was *TRULY* the case. She kept justifying their reasons for their departure by stating that my comments and Arvin’s statements had nothing to do with their leaving and that their decision to say “sayonara” to the Party was due to issues that allegedly had nothing to do with Arvin at all – an argument that I don’t buy and never have bought at all. Moreover, it’s an argument that I WILL NEVER BUY!!!

The problem is this: when you have conservatarians in the Party, they will water down its principles. When conservatarians try to inject social conservatism into the Party’s own political tent, they almost immediately turn the Party into a near carbon copy of their original political organization – in this case, the Republican Party.

Libertarians who want to win elections need to win them and preserve their principles – a lesson that even Ron Paul‘s very own Penny Langford Freedom told Adam Kokesh on his radio show Adam vs. the Man. Libertarian political campaigns are not, should not, and must never be organized and launched to educate the masses about liberty and its spectacular benefits. If people wanted to be educated about liberty and libertarianism, they would read a book on it or take courses in it at, say, the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Libertarian campaigns function for one purpose – and one purpose – only: to win and to enact policies from a strong Libertarian standpoint. They’re not set up to entertain the masses and tell people what the candidates and their supporters want to hear.

That doesn’t mean we reject the nonaggression principle. On the contrary, the NAP should be followed to the letter. To do that you can join the Libertarian and sign the pledge (which is the heart and soul of that principle) and pay your $25. That’s what it was designed for. But when it comes to winning elections you must tailor your message to placate the masses and, if you win and if elected, enact legislation and other policies that would bring about that Libertarian spirit.

That’s what Arvin had in mind. That’s what I had in mind. It’s too bad, however, that Kim McCurry and her legions of followers don’t have that in mind.

 

 

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The Libertarian Party of Illinois’s Letter to the Libertarian National Committee Calling for the Ouster of Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra

 

After Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra made the comments about why young men are tricked into joining the military and who have made the decision to do it especially for the wrong reasons, the Libertarian Party of Illinois has done something that no state party has done within the last number of years. That “done something” is this: that state party has officially called for the booting of Vohra from the LNC immediately. This is in light of Vohra’s statements on the military and war establishment which were posted on this blog and the continuous showcasing of what the pro-war crowd has tried to do to Vohra since then.

Here’s the letter from the state party calling for throwing him out of the National Committee:

By taking Arvin’s statement out of context, that entire state-run affiliate has been invaded, pervaded, and infiltrated by a bunch of warmongers. None of them love libertarianism and liberty by the way.

This is another sign of the ultra-moderates and the conservatives collaborating to destroy the Party from within and to throw out of our organization good men like Vohra. This is sad, heartbreaking, and full of fear now that my colleagues and I will fight for the soul of the Party in New Orleans, Louisiana in 2018.

Tsk, tsk, tsk…..

Update #1: Here are three comments made to the letter and Vohra personally and politically so far.

Let me show you the screenshot for that.

 

The Various Members of the Libertarian Party Pushing for Persecution of Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra Over His Anti-Military and Anti-War Establishment Comments Part 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two weeks ago Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra wrote and posted a commentary on his Facebook wall in which he made a highly contentious, uproarious statement saying that young men join the U.S. military for a variety of wrong reasons. It is estimated that half the party base sides with Arvin on the military and foreign policy of non-interventionism, and the other half of the same base wants him to either resign, be removed from his vice-chair position, and/or removed from the Libertarian Party as a whole.

Here are more screenshots for people who want to see how belligerent, volatile, and juvenile many in the Party are:

To be specific, Indiana James (not to be confused with Indiana Jones!) stated the following:

That’s exactly what he wrote in his comments. Now onto the other screenshots:

What strikes me as a curious statement is from Libby Randi who says specifically here:

Really, Libby? Really?

Furthermore, here are more screenshots:

Here’s the second line from Dani White which is highly fundamental:

 

 

Here are the rest of the screenshots:

Here’s more into depth with Judd Weiss’s weigh-in on the ruckus:

Anyhow, here are the last remaining screenshots:

Here’s more on what Roy Britton Scherer said to Steve Toffanelli as well. They both go back and forth with each other, all the while both men are right and wrong regarding their viewpoints:

Alex Biro goes further on this, all the while spewing his invective and a modicum of hate towards Vohra and the entire national leadership:

The final screenshots on Arvin’s wall are here for everyone to peruse:

Ok, let’s get to the bottom of some of the posts that I find confusing with some screenshots to them.

On screenshot #6, this is what Chris Silver wrote completely:

On screenshot #15, this is what asshole party member Andrew Helmstetter wrote to Arvin, attacking him because he told the truth and Helmstetter didn’t like the truth coming about the military:

And Anthony fucking Dlugos is the ultra-moderate who loves to marginalize the purists – including Yours Truly – when it comes to strong, solid issues regarding our party positions, our party base, and the future of the Party. Honestly, he needs to fucking get out of the LP and head for the Republicans….or maybe the Democrats.

Either way, I don’t fucking care.

Also on the same screenshot (as I label it “Screenshot 15(B),” a party member by the name of Rich Turvey – and I have no idea why he’s in the Party because he doesn’t believe in Liberty 100% – attacks our chairman in response to his commentary with the following:

When you have fucking idiots like these people, you know the Party itself is in serious trouble and on a death spiral. Hugh McDonnell can go fuck himself.

Here is some of the hilarious stuff between butthurt asshole fuckwad Zach Garretson and some of the most respected people who are standing up for truth. The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Zachy Boy?

As for Italian stallion Anthony Dlugos, he wouldn’t know what a war was if his ass were strapped to a SCUD missile. He’s a delusional freak and a pro-war monster. He never accepted our Party philosophy, but yet we welcomed him anyway. Fucking sick and pathetic.

Here’s the rest of Garretson’s statement from the LP Veterans Caucus:

On screenshot #20, LP members Cathy Smith, Will Smith (not to be confused with good-looking actor Will Smith), and Christopher Hicks, in their assholish, insulting, condescending, and marginalizing way, called for Vohra to resign. Michael Sanchez, a party member and a dipshit, says nothing of great and paramount value here.  It’s the same with asshole Michael Lawrence. At least Bob Broda has the moxie, the chutzpah, and the balls to tell things like they are:

Specifically, Bob said in part that brings the point closer to home:

On screenshot #23, Justin O’Donnell spoke out of two sides of his mouth when he addressed his gripe to Arvin:

On screenshot #25, Edward L. Garrett, a prick-for-a-party-member, decided to deride Vohra over his comments:

On screenshot #27, another backstabber Craig Bowden turns on Arvin as if Bowden is truly and gravely in the right here.

Donny Henry is also another fucking backstabber. I know the principles of the Party inside and out, and this putz doesn’t know shit from shinola:

On screenshot #30, Michael Coombs and Donny Henry might as well have been a tag team with the way that they behaved on Facebook that night:

On screenshot #32, at the end of the pic, Marc Montoni finishes his statement with the last line that ends up on at the beginning of screenshot #34. Of course Craig Bowden wasted no time to point out the problems that he had with Arvin’s statement, which makes him a fucking dickhead in my opinion:

More from Bowden himself:

I wish Sarah Daggers hadn’t legitimize his points, but the damage is done. So much for party unity. PUMA!*

Conclusion

Arvin Vohra isn’t the enemy here. The enemy here are the people who believe that war is necessary, that military service is necessary, that combat is good, that government is “great” at “national defense” (which is really national offense, but we can’t say that when we’re fighting four or more wars right now). The Libertarian Party has been fighting a war within itself – the conservatarians versus the purists, the purists versus the ultra-moderates, and the ultra-moderates versus the conservatarians, and so on.

Will Coley was right on in this following video:

And all because of what Arvin said was the following:

He didn’t make that statement on his Facebook post. Yes, he did make it in a private post to Michael Sanchez (who has gone on record admitting that he was the one who released that screenshot of that conversation!) on the site’s server, but he did to make a point: as long as we pay taxes into the system and fund the wars, we are “accessories to murder.” As long as you voluntarily sign up for the military – that is, no one forced you to do it or talked you into it or made you do it – you are an accessory to murder. Soldiers kill. They are there in the deep, uncharted terrains of the Middle East to terminate anyone with equal precision and indiscriminately. It could be a man, a woman, a little boy or girl, or perhaps a baby they kill. Perhaps a cat or a dog. It doesn’t matter. They kill without remorse or fear. They are programmed to kill, and it doesn’t matter what anyone says or does. They kill.

What do these LP members who object to Vohra’s commentary think that they were doing when they were in the service? Serving Venti Starbucks Lattes to the people in the villages, especially on the streets of many cities? Selling electronics to customers who needed them badly? What did they think they were doing?

As Jesse Ventura once said, “That’s doing your job.” [Time Index 4:40]

I can hear the LP members foaming at the mouth at me calling me all sorts of disgusting and vulgar names.

[*Note: PUMA means (P)arty (U)nity (M)y (A)ss.]

The Various Members of the Libertarian Party Pushing for the Persecution of Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra Over His Anti-Military and Anti-War Establishment Part 1

The Various Members of the Libertarian Party Pushing for Persecution of Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra Over His Anti-Military and Anti-War Establishment Comments Part 1

The latest Libertarian Party fallout over Arvin Vohra has become a public relations quagmire, although writer and Libertarian activist, member, and supporter Jill Pyeatt and many commenters on the Independent Political Report‘s post about the ruckus defend Vohra to the hilt. (The fortunate fact is that many of the commenters on IPR disagree with those who are calling for Arvin’s resignation from the Libertarian National Committee, which has been rather silent on the matter the entire time.) The sad reality is that, while many members don’t object to Arvin’s statements, there are many other members – that is, many other various members who object to statements – are the bulk of the Party’s veterans base. The fact that they are offended by Vohra’s statement is that, while it is not surprising, it certainly speaks volumes about their collective character, especially when it seems like they want to tar Vohra and many Libertarians who agree with him with the same political brush.

Here’s what Arvin said on his Facebook account, dated  May 10, 2017 at 9:17 a.m. EST:

To be more descriptive of what Cole Ebel said to Corbin Brown on the same post, the following was said:

Here are the rest of the comments as they have been presented from May 11 to the 14th:

      

Of course, there are more screenshots of the post, but it’s clear that half the member base want to oust Vohra and the other half* are defending him to the hilt.

I will post more of this nonsense in Part 2 either tomorrow night or sometime Monday.

[*Note: I’m one of the “other half” defending Arvin with everything I can muster. These neoconservatives a.k.a. pro-war fucks who have invaded the Party cannot and must not win. They are wrong all the way, and I don’t care. They are paid hit men whether they like it or not. I defend Arvin’s right to free speech as specified under the First Amendment. While he must take full responsibility for his statement, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s fucking spot-on, and, if that pisses off the LP veterans, so fucking be it.

While I value their military service and their desire and willingness to defend this country, let’s not forget one thing: no one forced them to sign up for the service, whether it’s the Air Force, the Army, the Marine Corp., or the Navy. No one strongarmed them. No one even told or ordered them to join either one of those military organizations. They joined out of their own volition.

And, while I’m on a rant here, they weren’t even drafted to fight foreign wars. They made that choice on their own. That’s on them. That’s the point Arvin was getting at. These men and women who were in the service – and many others still are – knew what they were signing up the second they signed on the dotted line at their military recruiters’ offices. A few people in the comments say that, if they didn’t shoot to kill or follow orders, they would either be jailed or dead. I will say it again: no one forced them to join the service. They made that conscious choice. Guess what? They must live with it.

And if their lives were going to be in jeopardy, that’s understandable. They would have to defend themselves. But they didn’t have to join. No one has to. There’s no draft, only voluntary military service.

It’s that simple.]

The Various Members of the Libertarian Party Pushing for Persecution of Libertarian National Committee Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra Over His Anti-Military and Anti-War Establishment Comments Part 2